Pope Gives his Take on Divisive Family Meeting

by Steve Ray on December 10, 2014

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VATICAN CITY (AP) – Pope Francis says bishops spoke their minds, and may have even fought among themselves during a divisive church meeting on family issues. But he says no one questioned church teaching on marriage.

Francis gave his first complete assessment of the October synod during his Wednesday general audience. He praised the attention that the media gave the meeting but complained that it was often portrayed as a sporting event, with factions squaring off, rather than an assembly of bishops with the pope present as a guarantor of orthodoxy.

He sought to diminish the importance given to an interim, summary document that contained a groundbreaking welcome to gay and divorced Catholics, saying it wasn’t one of the three official texts.

A FRIEND’S CATHOLIC COMMENTARY: 

It is amazing how this is written to sow discord – my favorite is “sought to diminish the importance given to an interim, summary document that contained a groundbreaking welcome to gay and divorced Catholics, saying it wasn’t one of the three official texts.”

 Soooo…according to AP, the document was important, but the pope is back pedaling…. “groundbreaking welcome?” tell me, when were they excluded?????

 Sounds to me like Francis has the media pegged – AP is doing exactly what he said they were doing. 

{ 4 comments… read them below or add one }

Kenneth Winsmann December 10, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Is anyone else annoyed with the “no one is questioning the indisolubility of marraige” line? Im practice, It is very much in question if those in a continuing state of adultery are fully “integrated” into the Church, taking communion, becoming God parents, eucharist minister, etc. The Church will have defacto excused their sin. This Pope gives me headaches and heart pain.

De Maria December 10, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Hello Ken,

Did you know that those continuing in a state of contraception are already given a pastoral exception?

Do you know what I’m talking about?

As for me, I follow the Pope and the Church, whatever they decide. Christ gave them the charism to bind and loose on earth and in heaven. Not me.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Kenneth Winsmann December 11, 2014 at 2:45 AM

De Maria,

Hey friend. I do not know what you are talking about, but i can not imagine why that would be the case. Why would the Church encourage people in a state of mortal sin take communion?

I admire your faith. We all have to remember our place. However, I will not defend the Synod if they decide to undermine sacred Tradition and the teachings of Christ Himself! I feel that lay people will have an obligation to cry out to our bishops. Do you agree?

De Maria December 11, 2014 at 7:58 AM

De Maria,
Hey friend.

Hey, fellow Houstonian,

I do not know what you are talking about,

Married men and women who have committed the sin of sterilization (i.e. vasectomies and tubal ligations) are not required to reverse them. They are permitted to continue having contraceptive sex throughout their marriage.


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Dear E,

Evidently the priest you consulted gave you poor advice. If you have repented and received absolution, your sin is forgiven. The Church does not require you to attempt to reverse the proceedure.
Pray for the faith to recognize the Lord’s forgiveness. This experience dramatizes well how gratuitous God’s forgiveness is for every sin.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

but i can not imagine why that would be the case.

I’m not certain about that either. Perhaps because it is a form of surgery. But I understand that it isn’t very dangerous.

My point is that I don’t see a big difference between a man and woman forgiven for continued participation in contracepted sex and a man and woman forgiven for what amounts to a form of adultery if they have been married to someone else in the past. They are both mortal sins.

My other point is that it isn’t my place to decide the issue. It is the Church which is guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth.

Why would the Church encourage people in a state of mortal sin take communion?

According to Fr. Serpa, above, they are no longer in a state of mortal sin if they have repented and been forgiven of that sin.

I admire your faith.

Likewise.

We all have to remember our place. However, I will not defend the Synod if they decide to undermine sacred Tradition and the teachings of Christ Himself! I feel that lay people will have an obligation to cry out to our bishops. Do you agree?

Not in this case. If they were a renegade bunch, yes. If members of the usccb decided to separate from the Pope and start their own church, yes.

But, the Pope was there. It was a gathering of the Magisterium, the Pope and the Bishops gathered together.
That guarantees the orthodoxy of the proceedings by the power of the Holy Spirit. There is no greater guarantee.

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