Nathaniel has Converted 5 Catholics out of the Church

by Steve Ray on August 8, 2013

Nathaniel wrote: 

Thanks for the 6-tips which i see is taken from your baptist upbringing. I will use it to win Catholics to Christ and out from the RC Church. It will add to the list of 5 Catholics I’ve already sucessfully evangelized them out of the RC Church. Keep the tips coming :)

I responded:

My wife Janet and I after our reception into the Church with our sponsors Al and Sally Kresta (also converts)

Nathaniel: You’ve a long way to go my friend if you view this as a race – I’ve helped over 4,000 Protestants discover the fullness of faith in the Catholic Church. 

And if you consider the statistics you come up short again. The number of converts to the Catholic Church that revert back is about 1%; whereas, the number of people who leave Catholicism for a Baptist-type tradition, about 50% will eventually return to the Catholic Church.

And while the traffic continues back and forth between Catholicism and Fundamentalism, some observers have suggested that whereas a two decades ago more Catholics were leaving to become Fundamentalists, it has now reversed and there are more Fundamentalists becoming Catholics than the other way around.

Dr. Francis Beckwith

Another thing you may have missed: there are no notable Catholics becoming Protestants but there are many notable Protestants becoming Catholics (e.g., Dr. Francis Beckwith, former president of the Evangelical Theological Society).

This is confirmed by Protestant writer Kim Riddlebarger, “While evangelicalism is growing numerically, apparently there are not as many notable Roman Catholics becoming evangelicals as vice-versa” (Roman Catholicism, ed. John Armstrong [Chicago: Moody Press, 1994], 240). 

In other words, the converts to the Catholic Church (and there are untold thousands, just watch Marcus Grodi’s The Journey Home  on EWTN) are among the best and brightest that Evangelicalism has to offer, whereas those you are converting out of the Catholic Church tend to be the most biblically illiterate and uneducated. 

You’re on the wrong and losing side my friend. I would encourage you to read more carefully, study Scripture more deeply, pray more seriously, take your head out of the sand and join the throng of joyful converts into the Catholic Church. You can read more about this Nathaniel here and thanks for writing.

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Michele September 5, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Nathaniel, I can assure you, that your sentence “majority of catholics are from generations in-doctrinated against anything that does not originate from catholic sources” is completely not true. I recently converted to Catholicism and was not bought up in the Catholic tradition. In fact I fought it myself for years. However, messing with psychics and clairvoyants put me into a mental instituation where I was classified as psychotic. The love of friends at a local parish, the local parish priest, the saving grace of our Lord, and the sacrament or the Eucharist healed me. Every week I had the Eucharist, I was being healed. It is now 7 months, no medication needed, and I have never had so much peace and freedom in my mind and in my soul. The beauty and the truth of the Catholic Church is perfect. It is a sleeping giant, being awoken…the truth will continue to set people free

Nathaniel Fernandes September 5, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Michelle, I would sympathize with your predicament but its lacking truth in comparison to the true light of the Word of God that shines brightly in this dark world of ours. From your post, it can be seen you are “confused” whether its the sacrament OR Eucharist that has healed you. Neither is true and that is the first deception you’re under. I stand by my sentence.

It is a sleeping giant, being awoken …
BEWARE: The sleeping giant is actually the “son of Perdition”, the man of sin – 2 Thessalonians 2:3 – Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

PoorKnight September 9, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Dear Nathaniel,

You missed a couple implications: If Martin Luther is an idolator why do you follow him in your non-Biblical dogma of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide?

Why do you follow him in his subtraction of 7 books of the Bible you claim is the sole rule of authority (a claim it does not make for itself)?

Who decides what books belong in Scripture? Where is that in Scripture (chapter and verse please)?

Where in Scripture does it say that the Gospel of Mark was written by Mark (Chapter and verse please)?

Where in Scripture does it say that the canon of Scripture was closed after the death of the last Apostle? (chapter and verse please)

Where in Scripture does it say that your translators (translating from Greek, Hebrew and Latin into english) were infallible?

Where in Scripture does it say that your English teachers taught you the infallible understanding of the English language enough to understand the language used in Scripture?

What did the first Christians use to decide matters of Faith and Morals infallibly, before even one word of the New Testament was written or do you believe God let them all be lost?

I never said Peter was divine. I said he was made the ‘rock’ – upon which Christ will build His Church – because Christ is the Rock.

God Bless,
Poor Knight for Christ

PoorKnight September 9, 2013 at 3:36 PM

I pray, Nathaniel, that you take your own Scirpture quote to heart: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 – Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

What man started your denomination or your ‘non denomoniatal’, denomination? Your pastor? His pastor? John Smyth? John Calvin? Ulrich Zwingli? Martin Luther? It all comes down to a man. Every Protestant denomination comes down to a man.

I can tell you historically and Biblically who started mine: Jesus Christ Mt 16:18.

God Bless you,

Nathaniel Fernandes September 9, 2013 at 10:05 PM

STEVE RAY. I AM ALLOWING NATHANIEL’S RESPONSE FOR COMEDIC VALUE AND TO DEMONSTRATE HOW SAD AND CONFUSED, HOW SELF-IMPORTANT AND FOOLISH ONE CAN BE WHEN CUT LOOSE FROM THEIR ROOTS AND THE BIBLE.

I AM ABOUT TO CLOSE THIS COMBOXES DOWN SINCE ITS GONE FAR ENOUGH AND I FIND NATHANIEL’S VAPID COMMENTS TIRING.

You missed a couple implications: If Martin Luther is an idolator why do you follow him in your non-Biblical dogma of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide?

I’ve already stated I’m a Christ-ian and a follower of Jesus Christ to the core. It is enough that Jesus had me in mind before the foundation on the world began to die for my sins and to reconcile me to God. It is enough when Jesus said “.. thy word is truth”. The scriptures is the standard rule of faith to weed out false teachings. I am not a follower of mortal men. Catholics are sincere people but deny the saving power of Jesus Christ by following teachings of men which is diametrically opposed to the scriptures. Can you say without a doubt that you are right with God at this very moment? Perhaps you are thinking, “Well, I’m following the teachings of the Church on how to be right with God”. Then how would you agree that those beliefs should match God’s written Word, the Bible? Perhaps your answer is “No”, or “I am not sure?

In response to your other questions, they are simply straw man arguments catholics usually put forward in defense of the catholic Religion. I have an answer to all of them but will desist for as i’ve said – they are simply a straw man arguments not worth discussing. The core answer i can give right now is that the scriptures are God breathed and the Holy Ghost used men as instruments to write God’s final revelation to mankind. The ownership of the scriptures belong to God and so no individual, organisation, or Church denomination can take credit for it. Early chritians knew what were the inspired scriptures and which ones were spurious before any church, body or council came along.

I pray, Nathaniel, that you take your own Scirpture quote to heart: 2 Thessalonians 2:3

That scripture quote was in response to Michelle who talked about the Catholic church being a sleepin giant being awoken. Now think for a moment if you have any spiritual discernment in you. If you claim that Jesus Christ established the Catholic church, then surely it would be actively pursuing doing the “Great Commission” Jesus commanded, since its inception, but it hasn’t happened that way. St. Paul’s evangelization programe for instance, is a recent excercise. Besides a Church that Jesus Christ established is a Church who truly knows him and abides what he taught. Also it is a church that does not encourage religious syncretism (an mix or amalgamation or inclusion of other beliefs systems such as Plato or Socrates as De Maria pointed out). The Christian faith is unique in comparision to other world religions. It stands on its own, and gives absolute assurances of spending eternity that no other religion can boast of. The Christ in the Christian faith has preeminence. If the Christian faith is mixed with other belief systems, than Christ loses his preeminence and becomes a mere “puppet”. This was the primary concern of St.paul when he wrote his epistle to the Colossian Church. Can you boast if Christ is the only object of faith in the Catholic Church? as its only visible and invisible head? So as to reconcile your claims that the Catholic Church was established by Jesus Christ as per Matthew 16:18?

Matthew 16:18 is another taking verse out of context rightly-dividing error and another straw man argument. The former pope Benedict has conceded the fact and affirms what i’ve said above. Read the article that appeared in 2011 titled: “Pope insists that Bible’s truth is found in its totality” – source: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2011/05/05/pope-insists-bibles-truth-is-found-in-its-totality/

God Bless you abudantly to come to the knowledge of His saving grace in Christ Jesus.

Nathaniel Fernandes September 10, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I AM ABOUT TO CLOSE THIS COMBOXES DOWN SINCE ITS GONE FAR ENOUGH AND I FIND NATHANIEL’S VAPID COMMENTS TIRING.
The real crux is that those vapid comments are a bitter pill to swallow. Its futile exercise to create a false cause for Roman Catholicism when a person is not even born into the catholic faith but came from the batptist faith. Your testimony i’ve read is not convincing. Its that same unleavened bread warning Jesus gave about the pharisees. You will eventually face a dead end in the fires of hell. Can you be frank enough to enlighten everyone as to when catholic apologists came on the scene?

Julie September 11, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Steve, Nathaniel is whistling in the dark, isn’t he.

De Maria September 14, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Nathaniel Fernandes August 27, 2013 at 4:48 AM

Hey, you’re back? Sorry to be a bit late on the conversation. I hadn’t seen your comments.

To give you the appropriate answer, tell me the following dependency, how would you interpret:
(i) 2 Timothy 2:15 – “…rightly dividing the Word of Truth” <– what does "rightly dividing the truth" mean and how you do it? Has God provided in scripture how to do it?

Yes. Several. But more importantly, He provided Sacred Tradition.

Huh? What?

Jesus Christ did not write any Scripture. Jesus Christ established a Church and commanded that Church to teach His Doctrines. We call these Doctrines, Sacred Tradition. The Church wrote the New Testament based upon the Sacred Tradition of Jesus Christ.

The reason that Protestants can’t understand the Scriptures is because they set aside the Sacred Traditions of Jesus Christ upon which the New Testament is based.

(ii) Compare your “assumptions about how God will fulfill His promises to the church with how God fulfilled His promises to Israel.

We don’t have assumptions. We have the truth. Jesus fulfills His promises to us through the marvelous promises of the Faith of Christ, the Seven Sacraments:

Christ died for all, that those who live will turn to him and be saved:
2 Corinthians 5:15
King James Version (KJV)
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

We redeem our sins by applying the redemptive grace of God in the Sacraments:
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Titus 3:5
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5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

And those who turn to Him will come to the Heavenly Jerusalem which is the Catholic Church:
Hebrews 12:22
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

But the faithful Jews were redeemed on the Cross when Jesus died and went to Limbo and released them into heaven:
Hebrews 9:15
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15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

When Christ died, the sins of the Old Testament were redeemed by His blood and the Jews received the promise of eternal inheritance.

We receive the same promise when we are baptized:
Acts 2:37-39
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37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And every time we receive any of the Sacraments.

(iii) Have you even considered the possibility that God could fulfill His promises to the church by some means other than the Roman Catholic Church?

The Catholic Church is the means established by God. But God is greater than the Church and could conceivably fulfill His promise by any means. But this is not the way that God acts. He acts according to His word:
Acts 2:46-47
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46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

(iv) Does the term “church” referred in 1Timothy 3:15 point to the Roman Catholic Church headquartered in Rome?

Yes.

given the fact that there’s no evidence whatsoever that Christ and the apostles wanted a worldwide denomination to govern all churches, settle all doctrinal disputes, interpret scripture for every Christian.

The evidence is quite the opposite. Jesus established one Church (Matt 16:18). Not many. And He gave that Church the authority to bind and loose (Matt 16:19; 18:18); to teach all nations (Matt 28:19-20) and to forgive sins (John 20:23).

Jesus also commanded anyone disobeying the Church be cast out (Matt 18:17).

So, you’re wrong.

The apostles never established a worldwide denomination centered in Rome, with all of the authority the Roman Catholic Church claims to have, no matter how practical the Catholic form of church government may seem to be.

Yes, they did. And it remains there to this day.

Sincerely,

De Maria

De Maria September 14, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Nathaniel Fernandes August 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM
Dear Poorknight:
Many thanks for your questions .. yes there are various stuff till today with us that are of pagan origin,

But they are in the Protestant religions. Not the Catholic.

but Christians do not make such idolatrous stuff as object of faith. For Christians, Jesus Christ is the only object of faith.

The Eucharist is the Real Presence of Jesus Christ. Scripture says:
1 Corinthians 10:16
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

If Martin Luther believed in eucharistic adoration .. yes he is an idolator, after all he comes from the side of the same coin.

Martin Luther had many other problems. If he took communion after he disobeyed the Church, he condemned himself to hell. The Scripture says:
1 Corinthians 11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.

A symbol can’t do that. Only the True Presence of God can cause a man to be condemned when he unworthily participates in that ritual.

The Eucharist in the Monstrance, is nothing but a glorified form of Sun Worship.

It is the Worship accorded the Son of God. And any who refuse to offer this worship are insulting the grace of God which saved them:
Hebrews 10:25-36
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25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Yeah, Nathaneal, that means you.

And yeah, if he removed books, so also the RCC also added books.

On the contrary, the books which Luther removed were used by Jesus Christ. And the Catholic Church continues to use those books to this day.

Christians don’t follow Martin Luther, but follow Jesus Christ because Jesus is the Word and the truth.

Catholics follow Jesus Christ. And Catholics obey His word.

But you don’t. Here’s a verse you probably don’t know is in Scripture:
Hebrews 13:17
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17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Which man do you submit to and obey and consider to be responsible for your soul?

Again I will point you the St.Paul’s epistle to the Colossians to proclaim the preeminence of Christ, read thar epistle and deduce why he wrote that epistle.

He teaches us that we will be saved IF we continue in good works:

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

and shows us the value of suffering for other Christians. That is a form of indulgences. Let me show you:
Colossians 1:24
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24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:

We suffer for others in imitation of Christ suffering for the Church. Do you? I didn’t think so.

Now Peter has become divine?

Almost, yeah. St. Peter is the Rock which Jesus appointed to support the Church and He gave him the power to forgive sins. And who forgives sins but God? Let me show you what I’m talking about:
Scripture says:

Deuteronomy 32:4
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4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

And also:
1 Corinthians 10:4
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4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Now consider, God is our Rock and Jesus is the Rock, correct?

Why would Jesus (i.e. God) turn to Simon and say, “You are rock”? Because He wanted all to know that Simon would be he to whom all must turn who want to know God’s will. There is a precedent for this in the Old Testament:

Exodus 7:1
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7 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

God gave Moses godlike power:

Exodus 18:13-15
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13 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.14 And when Moses’ father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:

Exodus 19:9
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9 And the Lord said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the Lord.

God put Moses in a position of authority over the people. Jesus has done the same thing with Simon. God covered Moses with the Cloud, Jesus gave Simon His own name:

John 21:15-17
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15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
Jesus has appointed Simon as Shepherd over His flock. And in order to bring this point home, Jesus gave Simon His own name, “Rock” or “Peter”.

This is to signify the type of authority which Jesus has given to Simon. He has the authority to bind and loose in the name of God (Matt 16:19).

What does Ephesians 2:20 or 1 Peter 2:6 say?

What does Acts 5:4 say? I’ll tell you. Acts 5:4 compares lying to Peter to lying to God. Here’s the quote:
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Also note: Christ Did Not Make His Church Infallible As The Catholic Church Teaches.

Yes, actually, He did.
Eph 3:10
Ephesians 3:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Sincerely,

De Maria

De Maria September 14, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Nathaniel Fernandes August 27, 2013 at 2:05 PM
1.) I am a Christian saved by the precious Blood of the Lamb.

Where do you get the Blood of Christ? You believe the Eucharist is a mere symbol. Catholics are Christians by the precious Blood of Christ. But you reject that Sacrament.

2.) God in his amazing grace amd mercy, saved me from my sin, when under conviction I realised how I was a desperate, destitute and wicked sinner before a Holy God, and that he sent his only begotten Son to die for me on the cross to obtain the forgiveness of my sins and was buried and rose the third day redeem, reconcile me to God obtaining me an irrevocable justification and salvation, now and future forever sealed with the Holy Spirit.

But you reject His Sacrifice. Perhaps you don’t realize that we are a nation of priests and Christ is our portion. Don’t you know what that means? We receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist which you reject.

3.) As a Christian, I have the Holy Spirit (the Spirit of Christ) that lives in me, to guide me in all truth.

And yet you are living in error. What does that tell you?

4.) I am purely saved by God’s grace, and it is nothing I can offer or do to merit salvation nor is salvation wrought in a man’s heart, because salvation is a gift of God wrought in Christ Jesus. I simply come with empty hands of God given saving faith “Just As I am” to the cross believing/trusting everything what Christ God incarnate in the flesh, did in his all sufficient atonement.

If you believed Christ you would obey His Church and His ministers:
Hebrews 13:17
King James Version (KJV)
17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Matthew 18:17
King James Version (KJV)
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Luke 10:16
He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

5.) I truly know that salvation is in the person of Jesus Christ and not in a Church. The various epistles attest to this.

God adds to the Church all who will be saved. That is in Scripture:
Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

6.) When I interpret scripture,

You do so from a vacuum because you have discarded the basis of the Scripture which is the Sacred Tradition of Jesus Christ.

I know the Holy Spirit in me provides me guidance, so I lean not unto my own understanding but let scripture interpret scripture – its that simple.

Then let us reason together. Let us go through the Scripture.

Scripture says, “hold the traditions by word and epistle (2 Thess 2:15).” Why do you hold to Scripture alone?

Scripture says, “we are justified by works and not by faith only (James 2:24). Why do you hold to faith alone?

If you don’t have the indwelling Holy Spirit within you, all scripture interpretation will be skewed at best because another Spirit is now controlling you –

Then you have condemned yourself. Because you don’t interpret Scripture correctly.

in The RC Church its the Magisterium who will interpret scripture for you, so you will rely whatever they say – all you have to do is to obey sheepishly.

That is the Teaching of Scripture. We don’t apologize for obeying the Word of God (Heb 13:17). And we don’t do it sheepishly. We obey the Church wholeheartedly because the Church is the Teacher of the Wisdom of God (Eph 3:10).

If the Holy Spirit is guiding the RC Church through the Magisteriums Intepretation, than one only just needs to filter the intepretation and see if it lines up with scripture – and woefully it does not.

Let’s do it. Let’s compare your beliefs and doctrines to Scripture. And the Catholic Church’s Beliefs and Doctrines to Scripture and see which lines up best.

Examine yourself if the RC Church has faithfully upheld the truth of scriptures till date.

Thanks be to God for providing us the infallible Catholic Church. In fact, you hold in your hands her first infallible writing. The New Testament.

7.) Scripture interpreting scripture is a scholarly technique commonly known as exegesis, and it is a very proper way to interpret scripture. Not necessarily always, but there IS wisdom in using the Bible to interpret the Bible. One of the reasons we know exegesis is reliable is because the bible is infallible, so using other scripture to HELP understand what is being spoken in a particular passage is ONE of the methods to avoid being led astray with false doctrine.

That is true and Catholic Teaching. So, let’s do it. Let’s compare Scripture to Scripture and see if your exegesis doesn’t turn out to be eisegesis. Scripture says that we are justified by works and not by faith only (James 2:24). What do you say?

8.) God’s disclosure occurs in the context of his intersection and interaction with his creation. He reveals himself according to what he is doing in relation to his plan and program for all ages. This is why his speech is interlinked with his revelation. As he speaks, he reveals and as he reveals it is according to what he is doing. Revelation is according to God’s activity, not our understanding. What he has done has culminated in his Son, who fully reveals the Father and he has done so for the sole purpose of reconciling humanity to himself, which makes it a very personal and beautiful thing. It is no wonder that the Old Testament demonstrates actions and promises that foreshadow what will be accomplished in the Son.

All well and good. God revealed the Church is the pillar of truth (1 Tim 3:15). Why don’t you believe it?

We see this succinctly in Hebrews 1:1-2;
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

We believe this. We also believe that God speaks through the Church (Eph 3:10). Scripture says so.

We must understand the connection between God’s activity in the Old Testament with the written word, the presence of Christ on earth and his teaching, and the apostles’ commission to be proclaimers of that message.

The Apostles passed that commission on to the Church which Christ founded.

They validate the testimony of that message and what that means for body of Christ, his Church today built on the foundation of the prophets and apostles (Ephesians 2:20). So reading the bible as divine revelation means considering how each component relates to his disclosure according to what he is accomplishing with respect to His plan of salvation. Revelation provides a succinct and beautiful unity of the 66 books of the bible.

Its a 73 book bible. Luther took out 7 books.

9.) Revelation becomes the guide to interpretation according to what God is doing. We can then take the author, audience, genre of literature and theme into consideration to give us a fuller understanding against the backdrop of God’s overarching plan.

Jesus Christ is He who revealed the Truth. And He didn’t write Scripture. He established a Church and commanded that Church to teach His Doctrines. It is the Church which wrote the revelation of Jesus Christ down and continues to teach it to this day.

10.) The Bereans were commended for checking out what they were being taught.

Very good example. Lets look at that episode carefully.

First, the Apostles went to the Thessalonians and taught them about Christ. And also how to find the Teachings of Christ in Scripture. Now, that Scripture had to be the Old Testament because the New had not yet been written.

But the Thessalonians did not believe the Teaching of the Apostles. They chased the Apostles out of Thessalonia into Berea.

Listen carefully, they didn’t cast out the Scriptures. They cast out the Traditions of Jesus Christ that the Apostles were teaching them. They did precisely what you and all Protestants do today. Reject Tradition.

But now, we are in Berea. What did the Bereans do? They accepted the Traditions of Jesus Christ which they were taught by the Apostles because they researched the Scriptures and found them there.

We call that Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture taught by the Magisterium of the Church. All three elements are there. The Apostles were the very first Magisterium or Teachers of the Church. The Sacred Traditions of Jesus Christ is what they were teaching. And they used the Scriptures to confirm the truth of what they were teaching.

That is the Catholic model.

Again, Interpreting scripture with scripture is not the only way that must be used, but divine revelation must be analysed on how God is unfolding and dealing with people right from the Old Testament to the New Testament (Genesis – Revelation), the New Testament being the final new covenant by the Shed blood of the lamb the Lord Jesus Christ and eternal life available to anyone by faith trusting the merits of Christ’s atonement for mankind.

from the OT to the New, God used men to teach His Will:
Exodus 18:13-15
King James Version (KJV)
13 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.

14 And when Moses’ father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?

15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:

That is why I asked you the question on 2 Timothy 2:15 as what does “rightly dividing the Word of truth” means – which you do not have an answer. Does God guide us on how how to righly divide the Word of truth in scripture?

Yes, He does. By Sacred Tradition and by Sacred Scripture and by the Teaching of the Church.

Yes it is found in 1 Corinthians 10:32 - “Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the Church of God:

That doesn’t even answer your own question. Sounds to me as though you asked a question for which you had no answer.

Here is what the Word of God truly says:
Hebrews 13:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

and also:
1 Thessalonians 2:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

and many others like that:
1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Scripture never says to study Scripture alone.

11.) Having a accurate Bible translation like the KJV is also important. How can the Roamn Catholic Magisterium accurately interpret scripture when its relies of corrupted bibles?

The KJV is the most corrupt of all Bibles. But it also supports Catholic Doctrine. Every Bible supports Catholic Doctrine and every Bible disproves Protestant doctrine.

That’s a fact.

God Bless you too!

And you as well,

Sincerely,

De Maria

De Maria September 14, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Nathaniel Fernandes August 27, 2013 at 2:24 PM
Onerock:
Also another observation is that i find that Catholics quoting of scripture comes mostly from the Gospels. Which means the Gospels are only used as proof-texts to support Catholic theology, but the Gospels describe the life of Christ, and is a “moving target”. So the Catholic theology being stuck in the gospels is in error by making doctrine built around the gospels. From the Book of Acts, God divine plan of revelation is moving from the Jews to the Gentiles. If any Church builds its foundations in the period covering the gospels, than that church is in error.

I don’t know what you’re talking about there. I find myself quoting St. Paul most. But that’s probably because I’m usually debating with Protestants and they twist St Paul’s words continuously, to their own destruction. As the Scripture says:
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Good to hear from you again.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Onodugo Adaobi October 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Please Nathaniel read Romans 12:2 as you think that you have all the answers.
The standard of the world is that you attack a lot of things that you do not understand and that pride is very rampant in our world.If you think that you have all the answers think again,look inside yourself,search yourself with the naked truth using the holy spirit and you will find the answer, if you look deeply. You comments show a real hatred for the church but the church is not the enemy,the devil is the enemy and he has managed to destroy many peoples faith. Using Mat 7:16,it talks about knowing people by their fruits,no matter the circumstance the truth will eventually come out,therefore look at the fruits of the church with the holy spirit of course.
Lastly you are converting Catholics not looking truthfully for Christ and it will affect your faith and congregation on the long run. If your critics say the same things,then you need to change.

Onodugo Adaobi October 3, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I used to question the Catholic faith but last year when I started having faith,I discovered that it had a lot to offer and that many criticisms are untrue step out of your bias,read the church’s origins and you will discover that it is not questionable(Trust me). Keep praying for the salvation of all souls,I know that it can be easy to start telling people off but you need to get your facts right besides leave God to judge, your duty is to love and love till it kills you( hard right?) Its intelligent to question but what is unacceptable to act like you have all the answers
Everyone should look inside themselves and see whether they are doing God’s will,Catholic or Protestant. It makes one humble and empowered at the same time.

Onodugo Adaobi October 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Catholic theology is not stuck in the old testament FYI,it is respected otherwise it would not be read during Mass. I personally love the Psalms, Isaiah and Jeremiah(Inspired by those guys and many other old testament scriptures). People from the old testament have been canonised.

Leo Kuku October 12, 2013 at 5:05 AM

Hello De Maria,

I appreciare your frequent contributions here. The truth is, Nathaniel needs prayers more than words. I had a run with him sometime ago (on Facebook) and I know he does not listen to learn, but to prove you wrong. He believes the catholic church is evil even though he has not given her teachings a fair chance.

But if you must engage him, do it in bits because he well not take the time to consider your comments, but only restate his position with new facts from anti catholics sites.

God bless

De Maria October 30, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Thank you for the advice, Leo.

But I’ve met many people like Nathaniel. I don’t respond to their messages in order to convince them of anything. I respond in order to teach fellow Catholics what to say to people like Nathaniel.

Remember, we only plant seeds and water, it is God who makes the growth. If I believed that my words could convince anyone to convert to the Catholic church my task would be very frustrating. Instead, what I do, is simply given example of how to reply to a anti-Catholics.

But I do appreciate your well-meaning advice.

Thank you,

De Maria

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